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Tempy · Dec 27, 2006, 02:56 AM // 02:56

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Originally Posted by Beat_Go_Stick

I don't think A.Net really cares about spam. Just an educated guess based on their lack of action or any real effort to eliminate it

They do care, that's why less than 6 months ago they added alot of filters to bounce WTS to the trade channel, but people don't take the hint and have to figure out ways around it.

Still think everyone should just start boycotting everyone that won't use the trade channel.

Nickhimself · Dec 27, 2006, 03:01 AM // 03:01

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Originally Posted by SpitfireIXA

Auction houses would not help much more than the party search has (which it has helped a goodly bit).

You would see a whole load of "SELLING XXY IN TEH AUCTION HOUSE!1!1! C/O 8k!!!!"

LOTS of it.

Sorry to say, but you're wrong. You would still see it, yeah...but in WAY less quantities than you currently are.

For a very simple reason. Very very very few people really WANT to sit around town and try to sell crap rather than play the game to get more items.

Look at WoW. Their Auction House has been implemented since day 1. Yes, you'll still see some people trying to sell things now and then, but compared to the amount of people that have items in the AH, it's very few.

If there was an Auction House in this game, it would completely destroy the need for district spam-hopping (nothing like being in 1 district and switching to another to see the same people spamming).

If they gave us an auction house, the game would be much better. plain and simple.

arcanemacabre · Dec 27, 2006, 03:02 AM // 03:02

It's not just trade spam... there's spam for any and every reason. All of it is really annoying. The new party search I think helped a bit, and in time it will help a bit more (as more and more people realize how good of a tool it is), but really something has to be done.

Maybe they could introduce some kind of filter that will suppress a repeated message. If it recognizes that the same exact characters are being used again as the previous message entered - within a 3-5 second span, the filter kicks in and disallows any further messages for 10 seconds. This would cut down all the "enter, up-arrow, enter" spam.

twicky_kid · Dec 27, 2006, 03:17 AM // 03:17

There is a perfectly good reason to trade spam.

The more venues of advertisement the more people will see it. Not everyone is going to have the party window up all the time while they are in town.

But while you are walking through town you might see something you want scroll through the chat.

This kind of like, "Why advertise on radio when you can advertise on tv?" Why not advertise on both?

VGJustice · Dec 27, 2006, 03:55 AM // 03:55

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Ex

Like I said...the party search does nothing to help people sell better, so....not many people use it.

Incorrect. I found a seller for a weapon mod quite quickly (several, in fact) by spaming in Trade and having a Trade Party invite stating what I wanted. Fastest I have EVER found what I was looking for. I'll be using that method from now on.

The Ernada · Dec 27, 2006, 04:23 AM // 04:23

As I said before, an auction house will not cut down on spam. Why? Because people have idiotic excuses. Whenever you ask why the spammers spam in the local chat, they always reply that no one reads the trade channel. Guess what? The ones that don't read the trade channel ARENT looking for trades, so what makes them think they want to see it in the local chats?

And people wonder why there is no community in this game. It's drowned out in a sea of trade spam. But then again, even if it isnt trade spam, it's idiotic garbage being spouted. There is no solution for spam or garbage other than a GM moderating the chatter. And we all know that will never happen.

Made In Ascalon · Dec 27, 2006, 04:34 AM // 04:34

An auction house is the obvious solution.
Weapon Type:
Skin Type:
Mod Type:
Min/Max Req:
Material:
Rune:
etc etc, like a search engine. They implement something vaguely similar in FFXI

generik · Dec 27, 2006, 04:43 AM // 04:43

I think Anet should do a permanent account wipe on anyone who still spams (after the new trade improvement) has been implemented as a warning of what's to come.

Why account wipe instead of outright ban? Well it certainly hurts a lot more.

raven214 · Dec 27, 2006, 04:44 AM // 04:44

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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

Maybe they could introduce some kind of filter that will suppress a repeated message.

They did that some time ago, and spammers quickly learned to add extra space/characters onto the end (so the messages weren't identical) so that they could continue to spam.

Phoenix Ex · Dec 27, 2006, 05:08 AM // 05:08

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Originally Posted by The Ernada

As I said before, an auction house will not cut down on spam. Why? Because people have idiotic excuses. Whenever you ask why the spammers spam in the local chat, they always reply that no one reads the trade channel. Guess what? The ones that don't read the trade channel ARENT looking for trades, so what makes them think they want to see it in the local chats?

A lot of people don't look in trade channel because of its butt-ugly hard to see color and that its more of a mess there. I always look in local first to see if there's any stuff I want before I turn to the trade channel and squint my eye reading all the text.

KurtTheBehemoth · Dec 27, 2006, 08:01 AM // 08:01

Anet will only add an auction house with a new chapter. What a selling point that would be. Everyone in Guild wars would buy the chapter and Guild wars would still be hanging on for another year. This game is deteriorating.

My biggest example of this is that today I went through my friends list. I had about 50 ppl who i have met over the last year who don't play anymore. FIFTY PPL! that means that there are literally thousands of accounts that are inactive. Everytime our guild gets new ppl they go afk and don't come back for a month or not at all.

Its all about community. Guild wars does nothing to promote long term gaming friendships.

An easy way to fix this is to have certain high level farming areas that are only available to guild only parties. Then just like GvG, you will have to organize farming groups. This would encourage ppl to be in a guild and promote friendships. Also, The guild halls should have game NPCs that you can buy.

What if you could buy the nine rings game for 1million gold. That would be awesome.

Or they could make a guild garden.

Anything that brings guildies together..

Because honestly, gvgs just don't cut it. Officers have to scream and threaten to get ppl to come. The inexperienced guild goes into battle and loses. Then everyone ragequits the guild because they refuse to admit that the loss had anything to do with them and that it must have been the crappy guild.

People need a reason to stop guild hopping. And right now this game only promotes it.

Switch guilds beg off new guildies, rinse, and repeat.

VGJustice · Dec 27, 2006, 08:08 AM // 08:08

Kurt, that's what forums are for.

And as much as I hate to say it, I think that The Ernada has the right idea on this one.

Muk Utep · Dec 27, 2006, 08:35 AM // 08:35

I am in no way against people attempting to sell their items. I don't even mind if they use every acceptable way of doing it - using the trade channel, the new party function, and district-hopping. What bothers me is when the way they do it is:

Player 1: wtb sundering mod for sword
Player 2: WTS CC SHARDS WISP ME
Player 2: WTS CC SHARDS WISP ME
Player 2: WTS CC SHARDS WISP ME
Player 3: Selling Book of Secrets
Player 2: WTS CC SHARDS WISP ME
Player 2: WTS CC SHARDS WISP ME
Player 2: WTS CC SHARDS WISP ME
Player 2: WTS CC SHARDS WISP ME
Player 4: wts the deathbringer pst
Player 2: WTS CC SHARDS WISP ME
Player 2: WTS CC SHARDS WISP ME
Player 2: WTS CC SHARDS WISP ME

This idiotic, selfish and utterly childish habit of uncontrollable spamming that so many players find a need to do. It absolutely destroys the channels, causing the vast majority of players to toggle them off, and it's not just when people want to sell something - I constantly see someone spamming repeatedly that they're LFP MISSION BONUS and whatnot. Even in a half-empty outpost where noone else is using the channel, these people have the basic instinct that their needs come at the expense of everything else in the world, and their habit of selfish spamming is so big a part of them that they don't even realize that a single input is sufficient when there's noone else actively using that chat medium. I hate it with a fury, and I would ban these people if I had the ability.

An auction house would be excellent. I don't think it will eliminate spammers, people will always try to use every way possible to get what they want, but that doesn't make an AH less useful. Those of us who don't want to sit around for hours if we have something to sell, or don't want to converse with an 11 year old spamming idiot when we want to buy something, would benefit greatly from such a feature. I'm completely in favor of the introduction of an AH, not as a cure to the spam, but simply because it'd be darn convenient.

What we need (and I have no clue why it's not there) is a spam filter. It's laughably easy to code, even for a novice coder, and should take no time at all for a professional one to manage. I posted it in the suggestions forum a few days ago but there's no harm in repeating it here. This is how it'd work:

An on/off toggle that, when on, purges any message that has been repeated within the span of, say, 10 seconds. This means that if someone spams the same message 5 times in as many seconds, you'd only see the first message, and the rest would be caught by the filter. There's no disadvantage to it, it can't be abused in any way, it wouldn't interfere with any of the game's functions, it would be a tremendous help with the current spammer problems... and it could be coded in the time it takes to brew a pot of coffee. I'll do it myself if ANet asks me to. To prevent the attempts at circumventing this system which people will inevitably do, in their selfish crusades to make the world revolve around them, you could even implement it so that if a big enough portion of the previous message is repeated, it's also purged by the spam filter. Thus thwarting the idiots who will undoubtedly try to...

Player 2: WTS CC SHARDS WISP ME
Player 2: WTS CC SHARDS WISP ME1
Player 2: WTS CC SHARDS WISP ME2
Player 2: WTS CC SHARDS WISP ME3
Player 2: WTS CC SHARDS WISP ME4

Please do us this huge (and effortless) favor, ANet, or give me a valid reason why you haven't.

Jaml · Dec 27, 2006, 09:14 AM // 09:14

An auction house would be the best solution. Sure there would still be some people trying to sell by spamming but it would not be effective cause buyers will look at the auction house first. As it is now spamming works cause if i see a certain item i need in local chat i will buy it cause i have no other means of aquiring it (besides mindless farming) practically supporting and encouraging trade spam. With an auction house i would simply search there first never listening to the spammers and they probably give up soon since no one buys from them and risks to be scammed when they can securely buy from the AH.

Grolubao · Dec 27, 2006, 11:19 AM // 11:19

The auction house is the way to go, because if u want to buy something u'll have to go into all the main places (LA, Kamadan, etc) to look for the specific item, and that's the main reason why people spam, because they want to obtain the attention of a person who just arrived at a specific location.

Bahumhat · Dec 27, 2006, 12:55 PM // 12:55

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Originally Posted by nightwatchman

I also think anet should ban some spammers. The EULA specifically says that spam is not permitted and that anet can ban them, but i've never even heard of a warning being given.

Anet has banned someone from the game for spamming(Temporary). He was using explicit language in the Random Arenas. A Game Moderator popped in using the "Frog" yellow unknown name text, and said he was being banned. A bunch of people started screaming "Frog!" and yet, the Moderator said this was not the frog.

Silver Spook · Dec 27, 2006, 01:29 PM // 13:29

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Originally Posted by Tempy

Sometimes I swear we should do a great big boycott of everyone that won't use the trade channels...LOL. But I guess until then off with the ALL chat it is

Only thing we need is better ignore. Current one is so small that you cant keep anyone who does something like spam trades on local in it without it filling in 10 seconds and yet there is more who spam, so you cant have conversation in local. Personally I keep local and trade channel off most of time.

Menzoberranzan · Dec 27, 2006, 01:50 PM // 13:50

Better yet, make it impossible to trade items between players! They have to go through the Auction house where the offer and item are on display. Therefore there would be no point for people to spam normal chat.

Make the Auction house more of an Auction tab. Press some specific hotkey and a window opens up (Like Party Search), from there people can view what offers are on conveniently instead of having to fly to various towns in hope that some random dude is selling a rare item.

Engel the Fallen · Dec 27, 2006, 05:47 PM // 17:47

If ANET would ban the trade and sell bots, this all would lighten up within days.

LifeInfusion · Dec 27, 2006, 06:19 PM // 18:19

Party search has a Trade channel yet people spam in ALL. It is not like spammers slipped and put it in ALL by accident, because it happens all the time (I know because I turn off TRADE).